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- Subject: Re: 20/06/94
- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 13:11:58 -0400 (CDT)
- From: "Evan K. Langlois" <uunet!sdf!ekl@world.std.com>
- In-Reply-To: <memo.456084@cix.compulink.co.uk> from "Mark Himsley" at Jun 22, 94 05:42:00 pm
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- > >All non-alphanumeric shortcuts are more or less ambiguous. Ctrl-+ is
- > >simply Ctrl-+ on a German keyboard, but it involves pressing the shift
- > >key on a UK keyboard (Shift-Ctrl-=).
- >
- > I am sure that users of UK Ataris know that + is shift =, so ^+ == shift^=
-
- Not just UK but US ATARIs. If you hated the capital letter/lower case letter
- idea, then I do not see why you would allow this. At least letters are things
- I use daily and I don't have to mess with making them capital or not, and in
- EVERY country you hit the SHIFT to get a capital, and not to get lower.
-
- Assuming ^+ is going to mean SHIFT CONTROL = on some keyboards and CONTROL +
- on others is insane. It's much worse than using the NeXT standard of using
- upper and lower case!
-
- > numpad is Enter, as it does not appear elseware on the keyboard.
-
- The reason for this is simple. The number keys have symbols above them,
- so CONTROL-2 is sometimes more obvious on the number pad then on the other
- keyboard. Many applications, especially IBM applications, use the word
- ENTER and RETURN interchangeably, probably because the keyboards are labelled
- that way! Some "RETURN" keys are labelled as "ENTER". Keeping these the
- same is logical for users that use both systems. Also, if you just look
- at the ascii value, they ARE the same (as aer numbers and everything on
- the keypad).
-
- > >----------------
- > >There was only one response on my ^I -> ^? suggestion. Good? Bad?
- > >----------------
- > >I suggest:
- > >CTRL-I - info on the text/object
- > >CTRL-? - info on the application
- >
- > Well _I_ like this.
-
- I hate it. See above for ^? Its the same idea as ^+. And what about
- italic? Why throw away the ATARI Compendium and the other guidelines
- that already give specific meaning to ^I ??
-
-
- > I think we should make the standard so good that no-one will want to have a
- > shortcut file.
-
- Get out of your dream world. Not only is this impossible but look around you!
- Look at the argumnents and all the differences of opinion. The only logical
- thing to do is adapt the defaults of the other platforms and allow the user
- to choose. What is so bad about the short-cut file? Why does it scare people?
-
- Its a damn good idea, and I just proved you can't make the standard good
- enough. I want the short-cut file. Try and satisfy THAT without a short-cut
- file!! And making ^W for cycle window so you can make ^U close window
- is lame. Other apps and the ATARI docs say ^W. Now Underline can't be ^U
- and you want to change ^I away from italic?
-
- You CAN'T please everyone, especially me.
-
- > >----------------
- > >I don't like your idea of using a capital or lower-case letter for
- > >shift. I like the up-arrow because it makes it obvious what needs to be
- > >pressed.
- > >----------------
- > >I agree.
- >
- > So do I. PLEASE can we keep ^, up arrow and window-fuller
-
- Agreed.
-
-